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paul ryan and mitt romney want to cut spending for it. a closer look now. ♪ i love to groove to the music tap out a beat ♪ >> reporter: big bird is getting all the attention but team romney has bigger thargts get more troll money. >> we subsidize thing likes amtrak. we have to stop doing that. >> reporter: amtrak gets roughly $1.4 billion a year in federal subsidies. three times more than pbs. this issue is putting vice presidential candidates paul ryan and joe biden on different tracks when it comes to funding for the rails. >> i'm the biggest railroad guy you ever knew. >> reporter: biden made more than 7,900 trips from wilmington, delaware to washington, d.c. during his time on capitol hill. the station in his home state rename afrd him last year. [ cheers and applause ] and in 2009, the newly elected democrats rode the rails into washington, d.c. for their inauguration. ryan's budget plan cuts federal subsidies for amtrak and high-speed rail projects. republicans favor privatizing the industry instead. >> the path to prosperity is
paul ryan and mitt romney want to cut spending for it. a closer look now. ♪ i love to groove to the music tap out a beat ♪ >> reporter: big bird is getting all the attention but team romney has bigger thargts get more troll money. >> we subsidize thing likes amtrak. we have to stop doing that. >> reporter: amtrak gets roughly $1.4 billion a year in federal subsidies. three times more than pbs. this issue is putting vice presidential candidates paul ryan and joe biden on...
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now if you bring on the romney/ryan plan, the landscape is just the same. they have the same increase. they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare what happens is that the government pays medicare. medicare pays the hospital. the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the government would pay you and you would decide if you wanted to buy into medicare or into private insurance that will create competition between the two and their theory and that is how you get at that very same waste that the white house wants to get out. these are two very complicated, huge programs. there are critics on both sides who say this plan won't work or that plan won't work or this plan will leave people strand or that plan will leave people stranded. the truth is, it is complicated. it's hard to deal with all of that. if we go to this basic claim that both sides
now if you bring on the romney/ryan plan, the landscape is just the same. they have the same increase. they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare what happens is that the government pays medicare. medicare pays the hospital. the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the...
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ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the first place. >> the vice president defends the status quo. >> that's a bunch of ma larky. the. >> paul ryan care about each and every american. >> stop caring about how you care about people. show me something. >> the table is now reset. >> with the v.p. debate now over. >> who gets to hit the panic button next? >> with 25 days until the presidential election, the obama re-election campaign is seizing on this statement by paul ryan in last night's debate. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried? >> we don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that people through their elected representatives, in reaching a consensus in society through a democrati
ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the first place. >> the vice president defends the status quo. >> that's a bunch of ma larky. the. >> paul ryan care about each and every american. >> stop...
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they pay more effective tax down governor romney does. >> the two clashed over foreign affairs. ryan says the killing of the syrian ambassador prove that his policies are wrong. >> it makes us more we can project weakness. our adversaries are much more -- >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> his campaign certainly needed a boost. >> more on the surprise announcement about the nobel peace prize. >> don't go away. >> produces high quality seeds, starting small. >> we have the trust. we have proved to the bank that a woman can be equally competitive. >> worldbank.org/gender. >> many european leaders are delighted that the eu has won the nobel peace prize but it comes at a time when they are facing the biggest financial crisis in its history. >> many politicians feel the monetary union should be extended to create more fiscal integration within the bloc. they are adamant the currency remained at the heart of the european unity. >> 7 symbolizes the dream of european unity like the euro. although it has been decried as the problem child, that have kept their most im
they pay more effective tax down governor romney does. >> the two clashed over foreign affairs. ryan says the killing of the syrian ambassador prove that his policies are wrong. >> it makes us more we can project weakness. our adversaries are much more -- >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> his campaign certainly needed a boost. >> more on the surprise announcement about the nobel peace prize. >> don't go away. >> produces high...
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>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >> mitt romney's tax proposals, because he has said that he can cut taxes without blowing up the deficit, without being deficit neutral, and at the same time keep defense spending. >> yeah. >> increase the defense budget. how does that work? >> governor romney said he can lower marginal tax rates and generate offsetting revenue so we don't increase the side of the deficit. >> how do you generate that? >> you reduce the number of write-offs and loopholes in some combinations. >> which would you reduce? he's not been specific. >> he's provided more specificity than t
>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >>...
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the romney/ryan plan, is it politically unpopular? he has to bring that up. >> woodruff: how do you see it, mark? >> i would say with paul ryan, he's got to k k kp it going. the republicans are on a roll right now, they feel they're on a roll. but he should heed the council of robert frost to john kennedy who said be more boston and less harvard. i would say be more wisconsin more walk shaw than washington, d.c. he cannot give in words his powerpoint if he mentions sequestration oncetor committee as a whole or the motion to recommit eyes will glaze over he's got to stay on offense but at the same time he has to par tri differences between him and governor romney and especially changes that governor romney -- several incarnations that have gone to is going to parry that, not to get into the weeds but parry it. as far as joe biden, i think he's got a tougher but in many ways more simple. he's got to lift the spirits of the spirited -- dispirited democrats. i think he f he does that -- he is the happy warrior, very much so. a lot more so
the romney/ryan plan, is it politically unpopular? he has to bring that up. >> woodruff: how do you see it, mark? >> i would say with paul ryan, he's got to k k kp it going. the republicans are on a roll right now, they feel they're on a roll. but he should heed the council of robert frost to john kennedy who said be more boston and less harvard. i would say be more wisconsin more walk shaw than washington, d.c. he cannot give in words his powerpoint if he mentions sequestration...
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making this an issue. >> that last thing, blaming the romney-ryan ticket. i'll give the case to the defense to you, but i've got to say joe biden said the intelligence didn't tell them anything. the state department knew in real time that this had nothing to do with spontaneous protests about the video. that's point number one. point number two, biden said last night that he did not know or that there was no request from the state department for extra security in the benghazi consulate. the reality is, we have all learned, they made not one, not two, but five requests for additional security which were all turned down at the white house and the national security council. biden -- i think you and jennifer raise a lot of good points that absolutely should be checked in days to come, but you know, larry, you have to check both sides. i didn't like your introduction. we'll check biden's lies and it's lefshlgity mat to fact check and let's not call people liars. >> look at what the obama administration has done. >> it's three against one so give me fair time. >>
making this an issue. >> that last thing, blaming the romney-ryan ticket. i'll give the case to the defense to you, but i've got to say joe biden said the intelligence didn't tell them anything. the state department knew in real time that this had nothing to do with spontaneous protests about the video. that's point number one. point number two, biden said last night that he did not know or that there was no request from the state department for extra security in the benghazi consulate....
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debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and quite frankly a fundamentally different value set. >> woodruff: democrats had been down after president obama's performance last week, but the vice-president aggressively challenged every point ryan made, prompting this exchange. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress... >> ( laughs ) >> ...to make up for lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> well, don't take all the four minutes, then. >> woodruff: the president was quick to hail that performance immediately after the debate. >> i thought joe biden was terrific tonight. i could not be prouder of him. i thought he made a very strong case. >> woodruff: republican ryan sounded upbeat about how he'd done at a diner this morning before leaving lexington, kentucky. >> i felt great about it. >> reporter: did you feel knocked around by him? >> no, it's what i expected. >> woodruff: and mitt romney prais
debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and quite frankly a fundamentally different value set. >> woodruff: democrats had been down after president obama's performance last week, but the vice-president aggressively challenged every point ryan made, prompting this exchange. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress... >> ( laughs ) >>...
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megyn: ed rollins, senior romney advisers say if ryan wins or it's a draw the romney-ryan ticket wins. >> i think ryan will win. even though biden ran more president he got 1% last time before he dropped out. he hasn't had great appeal. sarah palin with her lack of experience stood toe to toe on him. ryan is the smartest republican on the hill. you will find a tough opponent who knows the issues better than anybody. megyn: karl rove talks about the debate we saw in denver between romney and obama may be among the most consequential in history. it might end up as the election decision point. he talks about the polls and he goes through north carolina early voting, this is one of the swing states everybody is watching. in 2008 he said the democrats had a 21-point advantage early voting. now they are 26 points behind the republicans. he says in florida. in 2008 the democrats had a 9-point advantage over the republicans when it came to absentee ballots now they are 8 points behind. he thinks given the way this election is unfolding in october before we get to november 6, that early victor
megyn: ed rollins, senior romney advisers say if ryan wins or it's a draw the romney-ryan ticket wins. >> i think ryan will win. even though biden ran more president he got 1% last time before he dropped out. he hasn't had great appeal. sarah palin with her lack of experience stood toe to toe on him. ryan is the smartest republican on the hill. you will find a tough opponent who knows the issues better than anybody. megyn: karl rove talks about the debate we saw in denver between romney...
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and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good job. never made herself the center of the debate. >> she started off very strong with benghazi. want to play a little bit about what the vice president said about security in benghazi. >> well, we weren't told we want more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> explain that to me. a lot of the testimony was, in fact, the, the, the government did know. that, that, that the state department was well aware that there were requests for security. doesn't that completely contradict exactly what we just saw in i think it was wednesday's testimony? >> what the vice president is saying is that he and the president didn't know. this information had been communicated, at least according to the hearings, to the diplomatic security folks at the state department, and some others. but it wasn't commun
and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good job. never made herself the center of the debate. >> she started off very strong with benghazi. want to play a little bit about what the vice president said about security in benghazi. >> well, we weren't told we want more security. we did...
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we also have jim acosta covering team romney and today team ryan. we'll check in with jim acosta on the ground in danville right after this. >>> the debate before the debate. we're about to show you what each candidate will probably say tonight in his own words. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. some critics blasting tonight's moderator for her ties to president obama. former debate moderator carol simpson joins me live on whether it should matter. >>> plus, when afghanistan comes up tonight, so will insider attacks. i'll talk with a combat medic whose chilling memories reveal green on blue is nothing new. >>> i see bloody handprints on walls thinking, my god, is that my son's? i don't know if he was shot. i don't know -- i don't know. they haven't told me anything. >> the mother of an american killed in the benghazi attack accuses the obama administration of lying to her. it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyon
we also have jim acosta covering team romney and today team ryan. we'll check in with jim acosta on the ground in danville right after this. >>> the debate before the debate. we're about to show you what each candidate will probably say tonight in his own words. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. some critics blasting tonight's moderator for her ties to president obama. former debate moderator carol simpson joins me live on whether it should matter. >>> plus, when...
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what we hear from romney and ryan is no specifics whatsoever. the only specific they've given of something they'd cut is the cut to pbs, which is one ten thousandths of what we spend in the federal budget. >> a $4 trillion number, which was a $5 trillion number, has been debated a lot, and has been fact checked at times to say false, partly because there's not enough detail to figure it out. >> where those cuts are going to come forward. so we could do what bush did, expanding military spending, giving tax cuts to the wealthy. this is what romney wants to do. but he doesn't tell us how we're going to pay for it. he won't tell one specific loophole that he'll close. i'm not reflexively partisan. i want to see a substantiative analysis of details o of what your plan is. don't hide the ball like we had in law school. tell us the truth of what you're going to do. ryan used to do that when he was talking about the ryan budget. he put specifics in the ryan budget. scary to me, talking about privatizing social security, voucherizing medicare, but if th
what we hear from romney and ryan is no specifics whatsoever. the only specific they've given of something they'd cut is the cut to pbs, which is one ten thousandths of what we spend in the federal budget. >> a $4 trillion number, which was a $5 trillion number, has been debated a lot, and has been fact checked at times to say false, partly because there's not enough detail to figure it out. >> where those cuts are going to come forward. so we could do what bush did, expanding...
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and paul ryan and tommy thompson. >> and what if they get e mitt romney and paul ryan and it is not tommy thompson. by that you may get elected and the polls are looking better for you but the senate doesn't go republican. it is harder is it not for even a president like romney, president romney to do something, right? >> there is no question it is harder. but i have been in washington when the presidency changed from democrat to republican under george bush and then from bill clinton to george w. bush and also when george w. bush won the second election. his relect and there is a tremendous and after the election which will be vitriolic and vicious, both political parties will come together with the idea they have to do better and there is a feeling of good will for who ever the president is and that will help us even if harry reid is in control of the u.s. senate which i hope never happens. >> hope springs eternal. of the wisconsin.from the we call would his opponent and never heard back. she is always welcome on here. and a lot more for what is at stake. we spent the better part
and paul ryan and tommy thompson. >> and what if they get e mitt romney and paul ryan and it is not tommy thompson. by that you may get elected and the polls are looking better for you but the senate doesn't go republican. it is harder is it not for even a president like romney, president romney to do something, right? >> there is no question it is harder. but i have been in washington when the presidency changed from democrat to republican under george bush and then from bill...
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certainly it's in favor of the romney-ryan ticket. why is there all of this boxing terminology going on? well, take a look at this. this is one of the posters here for sale at center college. this is being set up with a lot of boxing terminology. perhaps that's part of it. also, suzanne, i wanted to tell you a little bit about that photo that we put up there earlier. if we can show that again because that's something that only cnn has. you can only see it right here. it's an exclusive look. >> if you don't recognize the guy on the right, that is chris van holland. he is the ranking democrat. the top democrat on the house budget committee. he knows paul ryan because he is the budget chairman of that committee. you're seeing the back of the head of shayla murray. that is the communications director for the vice president. >> she's been playing martha are aedditz. the biden team went to great lengths to replicate the conditions that the vice president will face here in danville, kentucky. that table, which is a semicircle with a small ci
certainly it's in favor of the romney-ryan ticket. why is there all of this boxing terminology going on? well, take a look at this. this is one of the posters here for sale at center college. this is being set up with a lot of boxing terminology. perhaps that's part of it. also, suzanne, i wanted to tell you a little bit about that photo that we put up there earlier. if we can show that again because that's something that only cnn has. you can only see it right here. it's an exclusive look....
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it's become a focal point for the ryan/romney campaign. darrell issa was on "real time with bill maher" last night and he did not know about requests for more security. >> when vice president biden says, we didn't know about their need for more security in libya, he's only talking about the president and the vice president because, as it turns out, he doesn't hear what his own people say at the state department and all up and down sworn testimony. >> issa is the chairman of the house overnight committee that is investigating the libya tragedy, but "new york times" reports that biden and the president probably did not know about the security requests. they were handled at the state department. "the times" also reports that those requests were largely for tripoli and not for benghazi. >>> earlier i was talking about ohio and where it stands in the presidential race. mitt romney is there today, but the really big political event is coming up on thursday. ♪ >> that's when bruce springsteen, the boss and, bill clinton appeared on stage togeth
it's become a focal point for the ryan/romney campaign. darrell issa was on "real time with bill maher" last night and he did not know about requests for more security. >> when vice president biden says, we didn't know about their need for more security in libya, he's only talking about the president and the vice president because, as it turns out, he doesn't hear what his own people say at the state department and all up and down sworn testimony. >> issa is the chairman...
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for paul ryan it's defending had his own record as well as mitt romney's record. they're different. as joe biden tries to remain gaffe-free and make up for the president's poor performance last week. and joining me now, democratic strategist and president of divine, and phil, republican consultant and president of new frontier strategy both whom have been debate preppers in the past. what was going through your mind when watching president obama last week? >> listen, i think as his campaign has conceded it was a tough night for the president and governor romney did well. what i was thinking they're going to have to pivot. we're at a pivot point in this campaign. a lot of the republicans who probably would have wound up with romney anyways have made the polls closer and the vice presidential debate will be an important one. >> and what would your advice be to joe biden in terms of being tougher but not too tough? what is the mix that he has to get through? he's got a pretty rich amount of material to go through because if he wants to go after the ryan budget cuts and medicare plan, n
for paul ryan it's defending had his own record as well as mitt romney's record. they're different. as joe biden tries to remain gaffe-free and make up for the president's poor performance last week. and joining me now, democratic strategist and president of divine, and phil, republican consultant and president of new frontier strategy both whom have been debate preppers in the past. what was going through your mind when watching president obama last week? >> listen, i think as his...
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he was the only guy out there predicting a sweeping romney win. well, today it is senator bill nelson of florida predicting that joe biden will make mincemeat out of paul ryan. expectations management is a dicey game >> yes, he was spot on -- setting the expectations so high and really came through. talking to partisans on both sides, the job for the vice president tonight is to slow the momentum of governor romney. and ryan at this point, to try to change the dynamic once again, this is going to be a proxy fight, but you know what? paul ryan has a record, as well, we heard it no -- in ron mott's speech and that is something that joe biden wants to exploit here. he will talk about the president and the 47% and talk about ryan as the idea of a lot of conservative thinking, the taxes, and spending. >> all right, david gregory, all part of the team for tonight's coverage of the vice presidential debate beginning tonight, 9 eastern, 6:00 on the west coast here on this nbc station. >>> we turn now to another major story out there today, the meningitis
he was the only guy out there predicting a sweeping romney win. well, today it is senator bill nelson of florida predicting that joe biden will make mincemeat out of paul ryan. expectations management is a dicey game >> yes, he was spot on -- setting the expectations so high and really came through. talking to partisans on both sides, the job for the vice president tonight is to slow the momentum of governor romney. and ryan at this point, to try to change the dynamic once again, this is...
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what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i think he was toned down in denver because he was advised not to be that barack obama. don't be overly arrogant toward rim rim. now he has to find that balance, which i don't think joe biden found last night. i think saturday night live will have a great skit -- >> don't count on it. >> well, you are probably right. but he's got to be able to do that. he has to be able to take the bite, like joe biden did -- joe biden took the fight to paul ryan. romney has to do exactly what he did in denver. he has to be the person he is. mitt romney we saw in the primary, the one who defined himse
what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i...
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mitt romney suggested this debate might just be ryan's first, but my next guest knows better, because she debated ryan in 1998 and she says ryan is a master of ambush politics. her words. also another word, she says he's slick. we'll talk to lydia spotswood, next. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. to me, relationships matter. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. [ male announcer ] with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that ac
mitt romney suggested this debate might just be ryan's first, but my next guest knows better, because she debated ryan in 1998 and she says ryan is a master of ambush politics. her words. also another word, she says he's slick. we'll talk to lydia spotswood, next. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're...
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. >> reporter: a strong showing from ryan could boost romney more in the poles. who's the better sales man? tonight it's all about who can better deliver the message. we're also getting some insight from both sides of the aisle and what to expect. as far as paul ryan, he will focus on substance as far as the vice-president he might be scrappy and competitive. we have to see how it plays out. >> where do voters stand? who do they think will take this win tonight? >> reporter: think back to last week. voters had high expectations for president obama. now it seems like the pressure is really on paul ryan. if you take a look at the numbers, 55% said ryan. 39% vice-president joe biden. this is a picture of the vice-president doing a mock debate in delaware. he's been doing one every day since sunday. he is seated where he will sit. the caption is let's get this done. it gives you the feeling here. >> talk about the store mat for this debate and what -- the format for this debate and what issues will be front and center. >> reporter: tonight both candidates will be sea
. >> reporter: a strong showing from ryan could boost romney more in the poles. who's the better sales man? tonight it's all about who can better deliver the message. we're also getting some insight from both sides of the aisle and what to expect. as far as paul ryan, he will focus on substance as far as the vice-president he might be scrappy and competitive. we have to see how it plays out. >> where do voters stand? who do they think will take this win tonight? >> reporter:...
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. >> reporter: paul ryan tailgated with football fans in ohio while mitt romney rallied supporters. the team fanned out across the key battleground states. >> if we get ohio, we'll take back america. >> reporter: the stakes are h igh, no republican has won the white house without a victory in ohio. at a rally in port smith, he says he sees the enthusiasm g rowing. >> i will get good jobs for every american. >> reporter: they say it's the number one issue in the selection. >> i bet on workers and three years later, that bet is paying off in a big way. the decision to bail out saves jobs. together creating 1/4 of a million new jobs. >> he arrived and announced a fund-raising milestone. they say 4 million people have donated money for president obama's re-election bid. the president will spend the next few days at a resort in williamsburg. the first match up gave him a boost. national polls shows it's now a dead heat. he has pledged to be more aggressive and that's cbs news. >>> you can watch tuesday n ight's second debate here on c bs 5 coverage. it begins at 6:00. it will be a town h
. >> reporter: paul ryan tailgated with football fans in ohio while mitt romney rallied supporters. the team fanned out across the key battleground states. >> if we get ohio, we'll take back america. >> reporter: the stakes are h igh, no republican has won the white house without a victory in ohio. at a rally in port smith, he says he sees the enthusiasm g rowing. >> i will get good jobs for every american. >> reporter: they say it's the number one issue in the...
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he talked about the 47% and the flaws of ryan as a candidate. the fact that he was against the stimulus but asked for stimulus money. romney had that big foreign policy speech and said the president didn't sign any trade agreements. paul ryan voted in favor of a trade agreement that president obama signed. so these were some of the things that came out. >> so in other words, when -- the criticism of this guy, when you said, he was rude, i don't understand that. i don't understand he didn't talk about -- >> really? >> no. he didn't call someone a name, talk about their mother. that's kind of what people do when they're having an actual conversation. whether it's someone on the right or the left. mitt romney was very aggressive in the presidential debate, and some people said it was bordering on rude. but guess what? he won that debate. you may think that joe biden was rude, but that's all part of the process. what's wrong with that when you're in a debate? >> well, people are rude. so you drew a correlation how people are in real life and people
he talked about the 47% and the flaws of ryan as a candidate. the fact that he was against the stimulus but asked for stimulus money. romney had that big foreign policy speech and said the president didn't sign any trade agreements. paul ryan voted in favor of a trade agreement that president obama signed. so these were some of the things that came out. >> so in other words, when -- the criticism of this guy, when you said, he was rude, i don't understand that. i don't understand he...